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November 08, 2007

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James R. Taylor

So why would you need twelve? Sounds like you have it nailed.

Henry Story

Well I find that spaces *could* be dead cool if only it allowed one to switch reliably between apps in the same space. I find that for apps that have windows open in multiple spaces - you mention Safari as being on such app that naturally need this type of behavior - one cannot reliably switch between them using exposé.

See my http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/why_apple_spaces_is_broken

Michael Long

@John: Mostly to have extra "space" for temporary projects.

Michael Long

@Henry, Ah, if I read you correctly, you're tabbing between sets of application windows while in Expose?

Umm... yeah, I can see the problem. My only suggestion would be to switch to F9-All Windows. With most applications in their own space, an individual space is much less likely to be as cluttered with extraneous windows, making Expose's "application" mode much less useful than it was previously.

I also do development, and as I indicated in the above article, I tend to use a few more spaces than I think most people consider using. So let me ask you this: You're hitting a function key while working in NetBeans to do an Expose so you can click and pop into the right window for testing, correct?

So let's say you had 6 spaces (3 cols, 2 rows) and you had NetBeans maximized in space 2. Why not now hit control-down-arrow and pop into the space where Safari and Firefox reside in space 5 with windows already visible and ready to go? Then popping back up again to NetBeans with another keystroke? This is what I do currently with Dreamweaver and Safari/Firefox/Opera, and it works well for me.

In a very short while the up/down keystroke sequence becomes almost second nature. Change. Save. Down. Looking good... wait. Drat! Up. Oh, there's the problem! Fix. Save. Down. Refresh. Eureka!

I sincerely believe that getting the most out of Leopard lies in getting out of one's comfort zone and working WITH the new features.

Svein Olav Nyberg

In Linux (I use the Mandrake distribution), you can right-click the frame bar and get a choice as to which space you want to assign the window to. Very convenient. And elegant. With Spaces, you have to _drag_ the window into one side of the screen to move it around to the next space. Very inelegant and very inconventient.

What would have been nice to have? A shortcut other than mousepointer-into-corners to open the Spaces overview, and the ability to move wndows between spaces in the overview. That would have made up for some of the inconvenient inelegance mentioned above.

PS: I too use 12, both on the Mac and in Linux.

Michael Long

Svein, I don't get it. First, you can move windows between spaces in the overview. Just drag them. Or drag to an edge while in a Space. Or click on the window title and do a control-arrow or control-number.

Second, you can activate the overview from the Spaces Dock icon, a function key (F8), hot corners, and/or by assigning Spaces to buttons 3 or 4 of a mouse. Somehow I'd think that ought to be enough.

Currently, with the adjacencies I mention in the article, about 80% of my navigation is control-arrow, maybe 1% control-number-key, perhaps 5% clicking the application in the Dock, the rest hot-corners.

Note that I never use the F8 function key method, as my sole overview activation method lies in hitting the left or right hot corner. Since I'm going to have to use the mouse to pick the space anyway, I may as well go in that direction and pop it up that way as well.

random8r

Dude! I've got a major gripe with spaces... and that's that it's application-centric, not work-context-centric.

In other words, it's focussed on particular applications, and not particular tasks that we do.

You've already started to notice this, no doubt, with your use of safari.

I'm a web application developer in Rails, and I have contexts... where I need Mail, Textmate, Pages, Terminal, a Database application and Safari or Firefox (or sometimes Parallels) open all at once... but with multiple things going on... so, if you call that a "slice" for a workflow - so that one particular app will have documents for all of those applications open simultaneously, then I want all of that stuff on one screen at once...

I'd also like spaces to be able to be labelled - and to display this label when you switch or reference a space - like... keep the number, but yeah...

So that... essentially, I have one "work context" per space.... now in order to minimize SUB-clutter, they could potentially create a "cube" effect that slides around multiple virtual faces, and that'd be cool (with a transparent view into the others through the desktop pattern would be mad... but I digress...

Spaces as it stands doesn't let me work in the workflow I wanna work in - it doesn't minimize my clutter, it simply "pigeonholes" it into a different pattern... I want an easy way to CONTEXT-SWITCH rather than an easy way to APPLICATION-SWITCH, I mean, otherwise apple-tab does pretty much almost exactly what spaces does! If you minimize the apps you don't want visible, right?

Aldebaranian

Speaking as a long-term (~20 years) user of virtual desktops I agree that Spaces is fairly close to how you want it to work, but I must admit that at the moment I cannot use it for serious work.

There are several reasons - the most important is the animation on switching pages. It makes my motion sick, and I see on the web that others have the same problem. It is a real shame that this cannot be turned off in Spaces, for a power user there is no need for indications, I know perfectly well where I am and where I am going even on a 9x9 grid, so while it is useful for the novice it is essential to be able to switch it off.

The other problem with Spaces as it is now has to do with Terminal - it seems few of you use that extensively but the way I work I often have 5-6 terminal windows open spread around on screens and the switching between these is non-trivial in Spaces - this is a place where e.g. KDE has a better solution.

Hopefully Spaces will improve, but for the moment I have reverted to VirtueDesktops for my day-to-day work.

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